Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 September 2

*'''Extremely strong Keep''', Bottom line is that is there are categories for Muslim politicians, Jewish politicians etc there should be a category for Hindu politicians also. Plus, to say that there is "no such thing as a Hindu politician" is completely false. There are many politicians in India and in other countries who are both of the Hindu faith as well as who campaign for issues that are pertinent and relevant to all Hindus regardless of sub-denomination. Members of the previouss center-right coalition govt, as well as members of various parties such as BJP definitely come under the category of Hindu politician.[[User:Subhash bose|Shiva's Trident]] 18:10, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

*'''Extremely strong Keep''', Bottom line is that is there are categories for Muslim politicians, Jewish politicians etc there should be a category for Hindu politicians also. Plus, to say that there is "no such thing as a Hindu politician" is completely false. There are many politicians in India and in other countries who are both of the Hindu faith as well as who campaign for issues that are pertinent and relevant to all Hindus regardless of sub-denomination. Members of the previouss center-right coalition govt, as well as members of various parties such as BJP definitely come under the category of Hindu politician.[[User:Subhash bose|Shiva's Trident]] 18:10, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

*<s>'''Delete''' - I do not know why there is another CfD when a [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_May_14#Category:Hindu_politicians|previous CfD]] had reached consensus to delete. My main reason for delete is that this category's main purpose is to divide on basis of religious lines and thus insert POV into wikipedia. Look at the reasons above. - "Members of the previouss center-right coalition govt, as well as members of various parties such as BJP definitely come under the category of Hindu politician". Does that mean that the others are not Hindu politicians? Who is going to check if all entries are correct. Previously the people like Maneka Gandhi and Sangma were tagged as Hindu politicians. Quoting Hornplease from the previous CfD "If we leave this in, someone will go around randomly adding Indian politicians to the category, completing diluting the information value of the categories on pages with not much other information". - [[User:Aksi_great|Aksi_great]] ([[User_talk:Aksi_great|talk]] - [[Wikipedia:Editor Review/Aksi great|review me]]) 18:31, 2 September 2006 (UTC)</s>Changed to no vote per my discussion with Bakasuprman.-[[User:Aksi_great|Aksi_great]] ([[User_talk:Aksi_great|talk]] - [[Wikipedia:Editor Review/Aksi great|review me]]) 14:18, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

*<s>'''Delete''' - I do not know why there is another CfD when a [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_May_14#Category:Hindu_politicians|previous CfD]] had reached consensus to delete. My main reason for delete is that this category's main purpose is to divide on basis of religious lines and thus insert POV into wikipedia. Look at the reasons above. - "Members of the previouss center-right coalition govt, as well as members of various parties such as BJP definitely come under the category of Hindu politician". Does that mean that the others are not Hindu politicians? Who is going to check if all entries are correct. Previously the people like Maneka Gandhi and Sangma were tagged as Hindu politicians. Quoting Hornplease from the previous CfD "If we leave this in, someone will go around randomly adding Indian politicians to the category, completing diluting the information value of the categories on pages with not much other information". - [[User:Aksi_great|Aksi_great]] ([[User_talk:Aksi_great|talk]] - [[Wikipedia:Editor Review/Aksi great|review me]]) 18:31, 2 September 2006 (UTC)</s>Changed to no vote per my discussion with Bakasuprman.-[[User:Aksi_great|Aksi_great]] ([[User_talk:Aksi_great|talk]] - [[Wikipedia:Editor Review/Aksi great|review me]]) 14:18, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

::'''Comment''' <strike>Wow!Now that's what I call twisting my words to serve an agenda! I never implied exclusivity to the NDA (center right coalition) in my last post. Simply a notable example.Plus, the same reasoning as yours applies to the Muslim politicians sections too.Why aren't you bothering them there? Afriad of getting shot at? If somebody goes around "randomly adding politicians into the category" then another will "randomly" question their addition in the talk page, discussion will "randomly" ensue, a "random" consensus will be reached, maybe with a few admins hanging around to make sure everything's nice and kosher and then, quite "randomly", unmeritorious additions will be REMOVED. THAT'S HOW WIKIPEDIA WORKS!!!!! Anyone can randomly add anything anywhere. That's not a legitimate pretext to demand removal</strike>.Statement retracted in light of Aksi's new stand regarding this travesty.[[User:Subhash bose|Shiva&#39;s Trident]] 20:12, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

::'''Comment''' <s>Wow!Now that's what I call twisting my words to serve an agenda! I never implied exclusivity to the NDA (center right coalition) in my last post. Simply a notable example.Plus, the same reasoning as yours applies to the Muslim politicians sections too.Why aren't you bothering them there? Afriad of getting shot at? If somebody goes around "randomly adding politicians into the category" then another will "randomly" question their addition in the talk page, discussion will "randomly" ensue, a "random" consensus will be reached, maybe with a few admins hanging around to make sure everything's nice and kosher and then, quite "randomly", unmeritorious additions will be REMOVED. THAT'S HOW WIKIPEDIA WORKS!!!!! Anyone can randomly add anything anywhere. That's not a legitimate pretext to demand removal</s>.Statement retracted in light of Aksi's new stand regarding this travesty.[[User:Subhash bose|Shiva&#39;s Trident]] 20:12, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

::'''Comment''' Hindu politicians are not just restricted to India. There are many in countries like Fiji, USA or United Kingdom.[[User:Nidhishsinghal|nids]][[User_talk:Nidhishsinghal|(&#9794;)]] 18:48, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

::'''Comment''' Hindu politicians are not just restricted to India. There are many in countries like Fiji, USA or United Kingdom.[[User:Nidhishsinghal|nids]][[User_talk:Nidhishsinghal|(&#9794;)]] 18:48, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

: Also, look at the first line of the category - "They may or may not be associated with Hindutva or the Sangh Parivar.". There should be no need to mention this if it was just another categorising like Muslim politicians or Christian politicians. - [[User:Aksi_great|Aksi_great]] ([[User_talk:Aksi_great|talk]] - [[Wikipedia:Editor Review/Aksi great|review me]]) 18:33, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

: Also, look at the first line of the category - "They may or may not be associated with Hindutva or the Sangh Parivar.". There should be no need to mention this if it was just another categorising like Muslim politicians or Christian politicians. - [[User:Aksi_great|Aksi_great]] ([[User_talk:Aksi_great|talk]] - [[Wikipedia:Editor Review/Aksi great|review me]]) 18:33, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' (1) "Catholic Church" directs to the article describing the organization to which these congregations belong, so it is already consistent. (2) It is already unambiguous, as there are no other churches having the name "Catholic Church". [[User:SynKobiety|SynKobiety]] 17:40, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' (1) "Catholic Church" directs to the article describing the organization to which these congregations belong, so it is already consistent. (2) It is already unambiguous, as there are no other churches having the name "Catholic Church". [[User:SynKobiety|SynKobiety]] 17:40, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

**You mean apart from the ones listed in [[Catholic Church (disambiguation)]]? [[User:Osomec|Osomec]] 10:04, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

**You mean apart from the ones listed in [[Catholic Church (disambiguation)]]? [[User:Osomec|Osomec]] 10:04, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

*'''Rename''' <strike>'''Abstain'''</strike> There is a current debate underway at [[Talk:Roman Catholic Church]] whether to change the name. While I support consistency throughout wikipedia, I'd urge editors to NOT move pages while this discussion is on going. I've proposed a freeze on wikipedia in regards to changing the name (either from RCC to CC or vice versa). While I can't expect everyone to know I've proposed that, nor can I expect people to do what I say, I still think we should wait out for the main discussion to have some sort of closure before bringing this debate out into every other catholic subpage. '''Update''' I've decided to change my vote from abstain to Rename, per Gimmetrow's reasoning, and the likihood of voting on every single page seems more plausable than reaching a consensus policy.--[[User:Andrew c|Andrew c]] 17:42, 3 September 2006 (UTC); 14:08, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

*'''Rename''' <s>'''Abstain'''</s> There is a current debate underway at [[Talk:Roman Catholic Church]] whether to change the name. While I support consistency throughout wikipedia, I'd urge editors to NOT move pages while this discussion is on going. I've proposed a freeze on wikipedia in regards to changing the name (either from RCC to CC or vice versa). While I can't expect everyone to know I've proposed that, nor can I expect people to do what I say, I still think we should wait out for the main discussion to have some sort of closure before bringing this debate out into every other catholic subpage. '''Update''' I've decided to change my vote from abstain to Rename, per Gimmetrow's reasoning, and the likihood of voting on every single page seems more plausable than reaching a consensus policy.--[[User:Andrew c|Andrew c]] 17:42, 3 September 2006 (UTC); 14:08, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' per above. [[User:Kylef81|Kylef81]] 17:49, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' per above. [[User:Kylef81|Kylef81]] 17:49, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' per above. --[[User:Leinad-Z|Leinad]] ¬ [[Image:Flag of Brazil.svg|18px]] [[User talk:Leinad-Z|»saudações!]] 18:22, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' per above. --[[User:Leinad-Z|Leinad]] ¬ [[Image:Flag of Brazil.svg|18px]] [[User talk:Leinad-Z|»saudações!]] 18:22, 3 September 2006 (UTC)