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[td][/td] [td]I have raised a number of issues at [[Talk:Silverchair#FA_issues]] regarding the content of the article [[Silverchair]]. Your participation is welcomed. <span style="color:green">'''Ten Pound Hammer'''</span> β’ <sup>([[User talk:TenPoundHammer|What did I screw up now?]])</sup> 16:24, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[/td]
[td]I have raised a number of issues at [[Talk:Silverchair#FA_issues]] regarding the content of the article [[Silverchair]]. Your participation is welcomed. <span style="color:green">'''Ten Pound Hammer'''</span> β’ <sup>([[User talk:TenPoundHammer|What did I screw up now?]])</sup> 16:24, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[/td] [td][/td] [td]== Two Nippon Budokan concerns ==[/td] [td][/td] [td][[Nippon Budokan]] is a martial-arts venue that gets used for all kinds of other stuff, including music, to raise funds when there's nothing martial-arty going on.[/td] [td][/td] [td]The article currently has a quite horrible list of musical acts that have performed there, with an ignored criteria of being for released recordings. I have suggested splitting this list out and away, were the criteria can be more controlled and encompassing than for this embedded mess. Please share your thoughts there: {{section link|Talk:Nippon Budokan|Proposal to split list of recordings of live music performances to its own article}}.[/td] [td][/td] [td]Another concern regarding the subject of the same article is regarding what appears to be an urban myth that musical artists need to be invited to perform there, with suggestions even that some committee is involved. This, judging by official and other reliable sources, is patent nonsense, and the gigs are arranged like most others, by promoters and their like. I have tracked a few half decent sources that reciprocate the idea of appearances at the Budokan being by invitation, adding fuel to the complete trash-fire of social media sites like Reddit, Facebook, blogs and fan sites churning this myth out like it's gospel.[/td] [td][/td] [td]If the notion was only in obviously non-RS, I'd ignore it and watch some more X-Files, but, [https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/when-rock-music-came-to-japan/ Far Out (magazine)] stating "the Beatles were invited to perform at the cityβs Nippon Budokan venue" appears to possibly be an interpretation of [https://web.archive.org/web/2016062...erday-beatles-typhoon-hit-japan/#.V26bIdJ_pqZ Japan Times] (and likely others) quoting Paul McCartney saying "all [the Beatles are] doing is coming here and singing because we've been asked to" in response to the mixed reception. These were likely picked up by bloggers of some repute like in [https://www.homicidols.com/you-see-idols-live-report-from-the-zenbu-kimi-no-sei-da-budokan-show/ this Homicidols post] stating "the Beatles said [...] they went there because they were invited to play, not to offend anyone."[/td] [td][/td] [td]Another apparently [https://tommacinneswriter.com/2024/04/02/places-everyone-venue-10-50-nippon-budokan-in-tokyo-japan/ quite prominent blog] (or something) runs with it, stating "when it was announced that the Beatles were to perform at Budokan, it was akin to inviting foreigners to play the devil's music in a holy shrine". There's a common theme that the Budokan is ''oooh special'' and playing there is an honour. [https://en.chinaculture.org/library/2008-01/11/content_72637_3.htm China Culture] also talks about invitation and "the prestigious Budokan" in the same sentence: "Cui Jian is invited to Japan again and plays at the prestigious Budokan Theater in Tokyo".[/td] [td][/td] [td]Another source that suggests some kind of invitation is required, if the reader is inclined to think that way, is [https://www.dvidshub.net/video/307876/usarj-band-2013-budokan-practice a US Army band video] in which it is stated that the band is invited time and time again to perform at the Budokan, but they are actually invited by the military band event organizers.[/td] [td][/td] [td]These examples of misunderstanding and paraphrasing can evolve into further misunderstanding and eventually into an apparently quite prevalent belief on the social web, like [ this on Reddit] and [https://www.facebook.com/groups/278200502817260/posts/1668619133775383/ this on Facebook]. Folk out there in the real world seem starstruck and confused, or the official documentation is a front and you actually have to sacrifice your first born to play there.[/td] [td][/td] [td]The question is, should we or can we address this, without flushing policy, particularly OR, down the toilet? <code style="background:#DFF;white-space
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[/td][td][/td] [td]I have raised a number of issues at [[Talk:Silverchair#FA_issues]] regarding the content of the article [[Silverchair]]. Your participation is welcomed. <span style="color:green">'''Ten Pound Hammer'''</span> β’ <sup>([[User talk:TenPoundHammer|What did I screw up now?]])</sup> 16:24, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[/td]
[td]I have raised a number of issues at [[Talk:Silverchair#FA_issues]] regarding the content of the article [[Silverchair]]. Your participation is welcomed. <span style="color:green">'''Ten Pound Hammer'''</span> β’ <sup>([[User talk:TenPoundHammer|What did I screw up now?]])</sup> 16:24, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[/td] [td][/td] [td]== Two Nippon Budokan concerns ==[/td] [td][/td] [td][[Nippon Budokan]] is a martial-arts venue that gets used for all kinds of other stuff, including music, to raise funds when there's nothing martial-arty going on.[/td] [td][/td] [td]The article currently has a quite horrible list of musical acts that have performed there, with an ignored criteria of being for released recordings. I have suggested splitting this list out and away, were the criteria can be more controlled and encompassing than for this embedded mess. Please share your thoughts there: {{section link|Talk:Nippon Budokan|Proposal to split list of recordings of live music performances to its own article}}.[/td] [td][/td] [td]Another concern regarding the subject of the same article is regarding what appears to be an urban myth that musical artists need to be invited to perform there, with suggestions even that some committee is involved. This, judging by official and other reliable sources, is patent nonsense, and the gigs are arranged like most others, by promoters and their like. I have tracked a few half decent sources that reciprocate the idea of appearances at the Budokan being by invitation, adding fuel to the complete trash-fire of social media sites like Reddit, Facebook, blogs and fan sites churning this myth out like it's gospel.[/td] [td][/td] [td]If the notion was only in obviously non-RS, I'd ignore it and watch some more X-Files, but, [https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/when-rock-music-came-to-japan/ Far Out (magazine)] stating "the Beatles were invited to perform at the cityβs Nippon Budokan venue" appears to possibly be an interpretation of [https://web.archive.org/web/2016062...erday-beatles-typhoon-hit-japan/#.V26bIdJ_pqZ Japan Times] (and likely others) quoting Paul McCartney saying "all [the Beatles are] doing is coming here and singing because we've been asked to" in response to the mixed reception. These were likely picked up by bloggers of some repute like in [https://www.homicidols.com/you-see-idols-live-report-from-the-zenbu-kimi-no-sei-da-budokan-show/ this Homicidols post] stating "the Beatles said [...] they went there because they were invited to play, not to offend anyone."[/td] [td][/td] [td]Another apparently [https://tommacinneswriter.com/2024/04/02/places-everyone-venue-10-50-nippon-budokan-in-tokyo-japan/ quite prominent blog] (or something) runs with it, stating "when it was announced that the Beatles were to perform at Budokan, it was akin to inviting foreigners to play the devil's music in a holy shrine". There's a common theme that the Budokan is ''oooh special'' and playing there is an honour. [https://en.chinaculture.org/library/2008-01/11/content_72637_3.htm China Culture] also talks about invitation and "the prestigious Budokan" in the same sentence: "Cui Jian is invited to Japan again and plays at the prestigious Budokan Theater in Tokyo".[/td] [td][/td] [td]Another source that suggests some kind of invitation is required, if the reader is inclined to think that way, is [https://www.dvidshub.net/video/307876/usarj-band-2013-budokan-practice a US Army band video] in which it is stated that the band is invited time and time again to perform at the Budokan, but they are actually invited by the military band event organizers.[/td] [td][/td] [td]These examples of misunderstanding and paraphrasing can evolve into further misunderstanding and eventually into an apparently quite prevalent belief on the social web, like [ this on Reddit] and [https://www.facebook.com/groups/278200502817260/posts/1668619133775383/ this on Facebook]. Folk out there in the real world seem starstruck and confused, or the official documentation is a front and you actually have to sacrifice your first born to play there.[/td] [td][/td] [td]The question is, should we or can we address this, without flushing policy, particularly OR, down the toilet? <code style="background:#DFF;white-space
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