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[td]:'''Support '''per nomination. It should also be noted that he is a spokesperson for the Al-Qassam Brigades, not Hamas. [[User:Lf8u2|Lf8u2]] ([[User talk:Lf8u2|talk]]) 21:59, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[/td] [td]:'''Support''' [[User:EmilePersaud|EmilePersaud]] ([[User talk:EmilePersaud|talk]]) 00:31, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[/td]
[td]:'''Support''' [[User:EmilePersaud|EmilePersaud]] ([[User talk:EmilePersaud|talk]]) 00:31, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[/td] [td][/td] [td]== Establishing precedent on edit wars ==[/td] [td][/td] [td]It seems like a good opportunity to look back on other, similar cases where Israel allegedly assassinates a notable member of a terror group and an edit war follows. Here, media and the IDF reported Abu Obaida killed (see sources in the article and elsewhere), and editors attempt to -- likely because Hamas itself has yet to confirm their death -- argue the page should reflect as if the terrorist was alive.[/td] [td][/td] [td]For previous cases of this, see the talk pages for [[Talk:Mohammed Sinwar|Mohammed Sinwar]], [[Talk:Mohammed Deif|Mohammed Deif]], [[Talk: Rafa Salama|Rafa Salama]], etc. These editors also have a predisposition to deny statements from Israeli politicians and military personnel about their assassination attempts, potentially on the grounds they dislike or distrust Israel as a whole (see the history of edits from an example editor for this page, [[User:Gianluigi02]] and subsequent complaints). In these major cases, it has turned out that Hamas has not confirmed the deaths of senior leaders until months after they actually died, and Israeli statements proved accurate. This may not be full proof, but it does show trustworthiness, especially as other living Hamas leaders have rejected claims of leaders being dead, only to be proven incorrect.[/td] [td][/td] [td]I see no reason why the reported facts of the death of the page subject differ from the previous cases. In that case, the precedent should likely be presumed dead and reflected as dead until proven alive. Not the other way around. [[User
ebartolo2917|Debartolo2917]] ([[User talkebartolo2917|talk]]) 01:22, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[/td]
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[td]:'''Support '''per nomination. It should also be noted that he is a spokesperson for the Al-Qassam Brigades, not Hamas. [[User:Lf8u2|Lf8u2]] ([[User talk:Lf8u2|talk]]) 21:59, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[/td]Revision as of 01:22, 1 September 2025
[/td][td]:'''Support '''per nomination. It should also be noted that he is a spokesperson for the Al-Qassam Brigades, not Hamas. [[User:Lf8u2|Lf8u2]] ([[User talk:Lf8u2|talk]]) 21:59, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[/td] [td]:'''Support''' [[User:EmilePersaud|EmilePersaud]] ([[User talk:EmilePersaud|talk]]) 00:31, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[/td]
[td]:'''Support''' [[User:EmilePersaud|EmilePersaud]] ([[User talk:EmilePersaud|talk]]) 00:31, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[/td] [td][/td] [td]== Establishing precedent on edit wars ==[/td] [td][/td] [td]It seems like a good opportunity to look back on other, similar cases where Israel allegedly assassinates a notable member of a terror group and an edit war follows. Here, media and the IDF reported Abu Obaida killed (see sources in the article and elsewhere), and editors attempt to -- likely because Hamas itself has yet to confirm their death -- argue the page should reflect as if the terrorist was alive.[/td] [td][/td] [td]For previous cases of this, see the talk pages for [[Talk:Mohammed Sinwar|Mohammed Sinwar]], [[Talk:Mohammed Deif|Mohammed Deif]], [[Talk: Rafa Salama|Rafa Salama]], etc. These editors also have a predisposition to deny statements from Israeli politicians and military personnel about their assassination attempts, potentially on the grounds they dislike or distrust Israel as a whole (see the history of edits from an example editor for this page, [[User:Gianluigi02]] and subsequent complaints). In these major cases, it has turned out that Hamas has not confirmed the deaths of senior leaders until months after they actually died, and Israeli statements proved accurate. This may not be full proof, but it does show trustworthiness, especially as other living Hamas leaders have rejected claims of leaders being dead, only to be proven incorrect.[/td] [td][/td] [td]I see no reason why the reported facts of the death of the page subject differ from the previous cases. In that case, the precedent should likely be presumed dead and reflected as dead until proven alive. Not the other way around. [[User
ebartolo2917|Debartolo2917]] ([[User talkebartolo2917|talk]]) 01:22, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[/td]Continue reading...
