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[td]===Edward III's claim===[/td] [td]{{further|Hundred Years' War, 1337β1360|Hundred Years' War, 1369β1389}}[/td]
[td]{{further|Hundred Years' War, 1337β1360|Hundred Years' War, 1369β1389}}[/td] [td]The first English claim to the French throne was made by the Plantagenet king, [[Edward III of England|Edward III]].{{sfn|Delogu|2008|p=234}} In 1328 Charles IV of France died, leaving no children except [[Blanche of France, Duchess of OrlΓ©ans|a daughter]], born posthumously.{{sfn|Ormrod|2011|p=80}} The successions to the French throne in 1316 and 1322 had, by this time, set the clear precedent that a woman could not succeed to the crown.{{sfn|Keen|2004|p=88}} Charles's closest male relative was Edward whose claim to the throne was through his mother, [[Isabella of France|Isabella]], Charles's sister. The English representatives in France attempted to press Edward's claim but attracted little support. The French magnates preferred Charles's next closest male relative, his cousin, [[Philip of Valois]], a male line descendant of Charles's grandfather [[Philip III of France|Philip III]]. Among other objections, the magnates did not want a foreign king, as they saw it, as their monarch. Nevertheless, they justified their choice on the basis that "the mother had no claim, so neither did the son", according to the [[chronicler of Saint-Denis]].{{sfn|Sumption|1999|pp=106-107}}[/td]
[td]The first English claim to the French throne was made by the Plantagenet king, [[Edward III of England|Edward III]].{{sfn|Delogu|2008|p=234}} In 1328 Charles IV of France died, leaving no children except [[Blanche of France, Duchess of OrlΓ©ans|a daughter]], born posthumously.{{sfn|Ormrod|2011|p=80}} The successions to the French throne in 1316 and 1322 had, by this time, set the clear precedent that a woman could not succeed to the crown.{{sfn|Keen|2004|p=88}} Charles's closest male relative was Edward whose claim to the throne was through his mother, [[Isabella of France|Isabella]], Charles's sister. The English representatives in France attempted to press Edward's claim but attracted little support. The French magnates preferred Charles's next closest male relative, his cousin, [[Philip of Valois]], a male line descendant of Charles's grandfather [[Philip III of France|Philip III]]. Among other objections, the magnates did not want a foreign king, as they saw it, as their monarch. Edward was also still a [[Minor (law)|minor]] and his accession might put in power his mother who was unpopular with the French nobles. Nevertheless, they justified their choice on the basis that "the mother had no claim, so neither did the son", according to the [[chronicler of Saint-Denis]].{{sfn|Sumption|1999|pp=106-107}}[/td] [td][/td]
[td][/td] [td]In the influential mid-15th century tract ''Pour ce que plusieurs'', it was claimed that Philip defeated Edward's claim by citing Salic law and its supposed prohibition on inheriting the crown through a woman. This subsequently became a widely held belief. However, there is no evidence that Salic law played any part in the succession debates of 1328.{{sfn|Taylor|2001a|pp=359-361}} In any event, Philip acceded to the throne as Philip VI, the first of the [[House of Valois|Valois]] kings. Although legal arguments were, no doubt, deployed in the discussions, ultimately the magnates made a political choice, the by-product of which was that the prohibition on women succeeding to the French crown was extended to men claiming the crown through a woman.{{sfn|Taylor|2001a|p=361}} Edward accepted Philip's accession and did him [[Homage (feudal)|homage]] for the [[Duchy of Aquitaine]] (Gascony) in 1329.{{sfn|Keen|2004|p=88}}[/td]
[td]In the influential mid-15th century tract ''Pour ce que plusieurs'', it was claimed that Philip defeated Edward's claim by citing Salic law and its supposed prohibition on inheriting the crown through a woman. This subsequently became a widely held belief. However, there is no evidence that Salic law played any part in the succession debates of 1328.{{sfn|Taylor|2001a|pp=359-361}} In any event, Philip acceded to the throne as Philip VI, the first of the [[House of Valois|Valois]] kings. Although legal arguments were, no doubt, deployed in the discussions, ultimately the magnates made a political choice, the by-product of which was that the prohibition on women succeeding to the French crown was extended to men claiming the crown through a woman.{{sfn|Taylor|2001a|p=361}} Edward accepted Philip's accession and did him [[Homage (feudal)|homage]] for the [[Duchy of Aquitaine]] (Gascony) in 1329.{{sfn|Keen|2004|p=88}}[/td]
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[/td][td]===Edward III's claim===[/td] [td]{{further|Hundred Years' War, 1337β1360|Hundred Years' War, 1369β1389}}[/td]
[td]{{further|Hundred Years' War, 1337β1360|Hundred Years' War, 1369β1389}}[/td] [td]The first English claim to the French throne was made by the Plantagenet king, [[Edward III of England|Edward III]].{{sfn|Delogu|2008|p=234}} In 1328 Charles IV of France died, leaving no children except [[Blanche of France, Duchess of OrlΓ©ans|a daughter]], born posthumously.{{sfn|Ormrod|2011|p=80}} The successions to the French throne in 1316 and 1322 had, by this time, set the clear precedent that a woman could not succeed to the crown.{{sfn|Keen|2004|p=88}} Charles's closest male relative was Edward whose claim to the throne was through his mother, [[Isabella of France|Isabella]], Charles's sister. The English representatives in France attempted to press Edward's claim but attracted little support. The French magnates preferred Charles's next closest male relative, his cousin, [[Philip of Valois]], a male line descendant of Charles's grandfather [[Philip III of France|Philip III]]. Among other objections, the magnates did not want a foreign king, as they saw it, as their monarch. Nevertheless, they justified their choice on the basis that "the mother had no claim, so neither did the son", according to the [[chronicler of Saint-Denis]].{{sfn|Sumption|1999|pp=106-107}}[/td]
[td]The first English claim to the French throne was made by the Plantagenet king, [[Edward III of England|Edward III]].{{sfn|Delogu|2008|p=234}} In 1328 Charles IV of France died, leaving no children except [[Blanche of France, Duchess of OrlΓ©ans|a daughter]], born posthumously.{{sfn|Ormrod|2011|p=80}} The successions to the French throne in 1316 and 1322 had, by this time, set the clear precedent that a woman could not succeed to the crown.{{sfn|Keen|2004|p=88}} Charles's closest male relative was Edward whose claim to the throne was through his mother, [[Isabella of France|Isabella]], Charles's sister. The English representatives in France attempted to press Edward's claim but attracted little support. The French magnates preferred Charles's next closest male relative, his cousin, [[Philip of Valois]], a male line descendant of Charles's grandfather [[Philip III of France|Philip III]]. Among other objections, the magnates did not want a foreign king, as they saw it, as their monarch. Edward was also still a [[Minor (law)|minor]] and his accession might put in power his mother who was unpopular with the French nobles. Nevertheless, they justified their choice on the basis that "the mother had no claim, so neither did the son", according to the [[chronicler of Saint-Denis]].{{sfn|Sumption|1999|pp=106-107}}[/td] [td][/td]
[td][/td] [td]In the influential mid-15th century tract ''Pour ce que plusieurs'', it was claimed that Philip defeated Edward's claim by citing Salic law and its supposed prohibition on inheriting the crown through a woman. This subsequently became a widely held belief. However, there is no evidence that Salic law played any part in the succession debates of 1328.{{sfn|Taylor|2001a|pp=359-361}} In any event, Philip acceded to the throne as Philip VI, the first of the [[House of Valois|Valois]] kings. Although legal arguments were, no doubt, deployed in the discussions, ultimately the magnates made a political choice, the by-product of which was that the prohibition on women succeeding to the French crown was extended to men claiming the crown through a woman.{{sfn|Taylor|2001a|p=361}} Edward accepted Philip's accession and did him [[Homage (feudal)|homage]] for the [[Duchy of Aquitaine]] (Gascony) in 1329.{{sfn|Keen|2004|p=88}}[/td]
[td]In the influential mid-15th century tract ''Pour ce que plusieurs'', it was claimed that Philip defeated Edward's claim by citing Salic law and its supposed prohibition on inheriting the crown through a woman. This subsequently became a widely held belief. However, there is no evidence that Salic law played any part in the succession debates of 1328.{{sfn|Taylor|2001a|pp=359-361}} In any event, Philip acceded to the throne as Philip VI, the first of the [[House of Valois|Valois]] kings. Although legal arguments were, no doubt, deployed in the discussions, ultimately the magnates made a political choice, the by-product of which was that the prohibition on women succeeding to the French crown was extended to men claiming the crown through a woman.{{sfn|Taylor|2001a|p=361}} Edward accepted Philip's accession and did him [[Homage (feudal)|homage]] for the [[Duchy of Aquitaine]] (Gascony) in 1329.{{sfn|Keen|2004|p=88}}[/td]
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