Talk:Polyphemus

:Thank you for raising the removed para for discussion, [[User:Paul August|Paul August]]. It looks like an example of drive-by editing that failed to establish that the story mentioned bears out the final sentence of the preceding para: - "The consensus of current modern scholarship is that these "Polyphemus legends" preserve traditions predating Homer". The first sentence of the next para began "An example of such a story is one from [[Georgia (country)|Georgia]], in the [[Caucasus]]," as you have it above, thus giving the impression that a story with a series of remarkable parallels to that of Homer records every detail of a pre-Homeric story.

:Thank you for raising the removed para for discussion, [[User:Paul August|Paul August]]. It looks like an example of drive-by editing that failed to establish that the story mentioned bears out the final sentence of the preceding para: - "The consensus of current modern scholarship is that these "Polyphemus legends" preserve traditions predating Homer". The first sentence of the next para began "An example of such a story is one from [[Georgia (country)|Georgia]], in the [[Caucasus]]," as you have it above, thus giving the impression that a story with a series of remarkable parallels to that of Homer records every detail of a pre-Homeric story.

:Personally I think it is far more likely that an early folktale has been padded with material from Homer, but I have no way of ascertaining that because the source quoted is not publicly available to be checked. The nearest detailed comment that I can find is at [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/264336187_David_Hunt_Legends_of_the_Caucasus_374_pp_tables_bibliogr_London_Saqi_Books_2012_1699_paper Researchgate], which makes no mention of such a parallel other than that one section of stories there concerns Cyclopes. Also that the book is an anthology of tales from fourteen different Caucasian ethnic groups. Per [[WP:RS]] it requires assurance that the book's editor remarks on this parallel and draws the conclusion given, rather than that this is a piece of [[WP:Original research]] on the part of the editor contributing to the article here. I suspected the latter, in the absence of a source that could be checked, and therefore deleted it. [[User:Sweetpool50|Sweetpool50]] ([[User talk:Sweetpool50|talk]]) 13:27, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

:Personally I think it is far more likely that an early folktale has been padded with material from Homer, but I have no way of ascertaining that because the source quoted is not publicly available to be checked. The nearest detailed comment that I can find is at [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/264336187_David_Hunt_Legends_of_the_Caucasus_374_pp_tables_bibliogr_London_Saqi_Books_2012_1699_paper Researchgate], which makes no mention of such a parallel other than that one section of stories there concerns Cyclopes. Also that the book is an anthology of tales from fourteen different Caucasian ethnic groups. Per [[WP:RS]] it requires assurance that the book's editor remarks on this parallel and draws the conclusion given, rather than that this is a piece of [[WP:Original research]] on the part of the editor contributing to the article here. I suspected the latter, in the absence of a source that could be checked, and therefore deleted it. [[User:Sweetpool50|Sweetpool50]] ([[User talk:Sweetpool50|talk]]) 13:27, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

::I added the paragraph [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Polyphemus&diff=prev&oldid=938344928 here], based upon my careful reading of Hunt. You've misunderstood what the provided example is meant to be an example of. It is not meant to be an example of a story which, either in whole or in part, is completely independent of Homer. Rather it is presented as an example of the kind of story which, according to modern scholarly consensus, ''collectively'' preserve traditions predating Homer. So there is no implication that this story, or in fact that any ''particular'' story preserves such pre-Homeric traditions. If you have no further objections I intend to restore the stable version of the article. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|☎]] 14:28, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

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