Talk:Kris (Deltarune)

::I simply don't see a good reason for us to include information that isn't outright confirmed in the game or by its developers. It goes without saying that singular "they" doesn't immediately confirm being non-binary. The allusions to being non-binary without explicity stating it could have been railroading us in one direction for a twist, a joke at the fanbase's expense, or something else. I'm not saying that I think any of those are true or particularly likely, but there are many directions it could go. Hints in the game aren't going to be particularly useful for a discussion on what to state in Wikipedia.

::I simply don't see a good reason for us to include information that isn't outright confirmed in the game or by its developers. It goes without saying that singular "they" doesn't immediately confirm being non-binary. The allusions to being non-binary without explicity stating it could have been railroading us in one direction for a twist, a joke at the fanbase's expense, or something else. I'm not saying that I think any of those are true or particularly likely, but there are many directions it could go. Hints in the game aren't going to be particularly useful for a discussion on what to state in Wikipedia.

::As for the "reliable sources" stating Kris' gender, that's fair, they are reliable by Wikipedia standards and policy states that's how we decide what to include. But policies are our guidance, not a hefty box of puzzle pieces to shift around to solve every editing dispute. It was a ScreenRant/paper writer who decided to confirm it and not Toby Fox. When the discussion devolves into something like this, we might as well invoke [[WP:IAR]] to put something similar to Eldomtom2's proposition, and we can all go home. Sadly, we can't put the truth about Kris' gender because we don't know it, so that's indeed the next best thing. What's preventing this one-sentence change from being added (and quenching the long and getting-unproductive discussion of these Wikipedia editors) is that there isn't a reliable source for that statement in particular, yet I doubt any reader of this article is going to see a statement that covers both sides of the fanbase's opinions and say "Where's the reliable source?" Whatever the devs' plans, the readers shouldn't be kept in the dark about there not being a direct confirmation of Kris being non-binary. [[User:Pxldnky77|Pxldnky77]] ([[User talk:Pxldnky77|talk]]) 04:01, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

::As for the "reliable sources" stating Kris' gender, that's fair, they are reliable by Wikipedia standards and policy states that's how we decide what to include. But policies are our guidance, not a hefty box of puzzle pieces to shift around to solve every editing dispute. It was a ScreenRant/paper writer who decided to confirm it and not Toby Fox. When the discussion devolves into something like this, we might as well invoke [[WP:IAR]] to put something similar to Eldomtom2's proposition, and we can all go home. Sadly, we can't put the truth about Kris' gender because we don't know it, so that's indeed the next best thing. What's preventing this one-sentence change from being added (and quenching the long and getting-unproductive discussion of these Wikipedia editors) is that there isn't a reliable source for that statement in particular, yet I doubt any reader of this article is going to see a statement that covers both sides of the fanbase's opinions and say "Where's the reliable source?" Whatever the devs' plans, the readers shouldn't be kept in the dark about there not being a direct confirmation of Kris being non-binary. [[User:Pxldnky77|Pxldnky77]] ([[User talk:Pxldnky77|talk]]) 04:01, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

:::I agree with your points, though I will say we can use the game as a primary source for Kris' gender not being stated, plus the two sources mentioned previously. At the moment the article is in a worst of both worlds situation where it says Kris is non-binary in the text and infobox, but then in a footnote says that Kris' gender isn't stated but the article calls them nonbinary anyway "for brevity and clarity".--[[User:Eldomtom2|Eldomtom2]] ([[User talk:Eldomtom2|talk]]) 17:40, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

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