Talk:2010 Knox County, Tennessee mayoral election

'''Note to closing editor''': some of the redirects "in the way" have been edited, so admin authorization is probably needed. The discussion will probably last more than 7 days. [[User:HandsomeFella|HandsomeFella]] ([[User talk:HandsomeFella|talk]]) 19:07, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

'''Note to closing editor''': some of the redirects "in the way" have been edited, so admin authorization is probably needed. The discussion will probably last more than 7 days. [[User:HandsomeFella|HandsomeFella]] ([[User talk:HandsomeFella|talk]]) 19:07, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

: '''Oppose'''. Similar RMs frequently end with consensus against the second comma ([[Talk:2015_Columbus,_Ohio_mayoral_election#Requested_move_28_November_2016|1]], [[Talk:2012_Aurora_theater_shooting/Archive_7#Requested_move_earlier_5_March_2019|2]], [[Talk:Aurora,_Illinois_shooting/Archive_3#Requested_move_17_July_2020|3]], [[Talk:2023_Cleveland,_Texas_shooting#Requested_move_30_April_2023|4]], [[Talk:2011_Philadelphia,_Mississippi_tornado#Requested_move_21_June_2025|5]]). Putting a comma between an single adjective/attributive and a noun is awkward and very unusual, while leaving out a comma after "city, state" or "mmm dd, yyyy" is common. The guideline [[MOS:GEOCOMMA]] is based on a [[Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Archive_215#c-Roy_McCoy-2019-05-31T03:23:00.000Z-Jmar67-2019-05-31T01:34:00.000Z|quesetionable analysis of the state name as an appositive]] and [[Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Archive_215#c-Roy_McCoy-2019-06-07T18:55:00.000Z-Matching_commas_on_attributive_nouns_in_titles|external style guidelines that don't consider the case where the location is used as an attributive]]. The lack of a written exception in the guideline should not be mistaken for consensus to apply the guideline in this case – instead, it reflects a [[Wikipedia:Avoid_instruction_creep|desire to keep guidelines simple]], and a problematic tendency to keep rules that no longer have consensus behind them simply because there isn't a clear consensus to remove them. [[User:Jruderman|Jruderman]] ([[User talk:Jruderman|talk]]) 00:26, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

: '''Oppose'''. Similar RMs frequently end with consensus against the second comma ([[Talk:2015_Columbus,_Ohio_mayoral_election#Requested_move_28_November_2016|1]], [[Talk:2012_Aurora_theater_shooting/Archive_7#Requested_move_earlier_5_March_2019|2]], [[Talk:Aurora,_Illinois_shooting/Archive_3#Requested_move_17_July_2020|3]], [[Talk:2023_Cleveland,_Texas_shooting#Requested_move_30_April_2023|4]], [[Talk:2011_Philadelphia,_Mississippi_tornado#Requested_move_21_June_2025|5]]). Putting a comma between an single adjective/attributive and a noun is awkward and very unusual, while leaving out a comma after "city, state" or "mmm dd, yyyy" is common. The guideline [[MOS:GEOCOMMA]] is based on a [[Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Archive_215#c-Roy_McCoy-2019-05-31T03:23:00.000Z-Jmar67-2019-05-31T01:34:00.000Z|quesetionable analysis of the state name as an appositive]] and [[Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Archive_215#c-Roy_McCoy-2019-06-07T18:55:00.000Z-Matching_commas_on_attributive_nouns_in_titles|external style guidelines that don't consider the case where the location is used as an attributive]]. The lack of a written exception in the guideline should not be mistaken for consensus to apply the guideline in this case – instead, it reflects a [[Wikipedia:Avoid_instruction_creep|desire to keep guidelines simple]], and a problematic tendency to keep rules that no longer have consensus behind them simply because there isn't a clear consensus to remove them. [[User:Jruderman|Jruderman]] ([[User talk:Jruderman|talk]]) 00:26, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

::Putting a comma between a single adjective/attributive and a noun – as in constructs like "the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks" and "the Jan. 6, 2021, attack" – is what I regularly see in The New York Times, which I subscribe to, so it's not at all very unusual.

::In contrast, I have never seen this type of construct ''without'' the comma in NYT. Believe me, I would have noticed.

::The construct itself may not be very frequent, but when it appears, it always includes the comma. They are very consistent with their style, and we should be too.

::Regarding the desire to keep guidelines simple, implementing an exception in the Manual of Style couldn't be that complicated, could it? It's a limited set of circumstances. The problem – as you realize – is that such a proposal has no chance of getting a consensus. The reason is of course that it would make no sense.

::Setting aside the wiki-wide MoS on some local RMs is what's questionable here, and is what has led to the widespread inconsistency that we unfortunately have. [[User:HandsomeFella|HandsomeFella]] ([[User talk:HandsomeFella|talk]]) 09:07, 7 July 2025 (UTC)